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. good saturday afternoon. you are watches "the place for politics." we begin with the benghazi backlash. >> first question for hillary clinton, how in the hell were the marines? >> there it is. big question. the uproar about four dead americans or is this about the politics of 2016? >> beware of microphones. >> speaking of 2016 what about call... and ask an insurance expert about all our benefits today, like our 24/7 support and service, because at liberty mutual insurance, we believe our customers do their best out there in the world, so we do everything we can to be there for them when they need us. plus, you could save hundreds when you switch, up to $423. call... america's happy warrior joe biden. he has not said she running but then again he won't either. >> that does not mean that i would ever put party before my state or party before my country. >> on the other side there's chris christie who has stoked more speculation this week. the man accused of kidnapping three women is in jail. she under suicide watch. today. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy? i'm goining to dream about t that steaka. i'i'm going toto dream about thatat tiramisu.u.
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ariel castro imprisoned, tortured and raped lee girls for more than a decade. rescued monday. yesterday. the last of the three women, michelle knight, was released from the hospital. she told police castro impregnated her several times and caused miscarriages. nbc's ron allen is in cleveland. what do we know about michelle knight's whereabouts? whwhat a nightht, huh? but, u um, can thehe test drivie be over nonow? head b back to the d dealership?p? [ mamale announcncer ] it's praractically y yours. but we stitill need yourur signaturere. volklkswagen sigign then dririe is back. anand it's nevever been eaeasir to get a a passat. that's's the powerer of german n engineerining. get $0$0 down, $0 0 due at sig, $0 depososit, anand $0 firstst month's p pt on any n new volkswawagen. vivisit vwdealaler.com tododay. >> reporter: not much, craig. as you know weren't just out here yesterday? >> i was. a few hours ago. >> reporter: yeah. i thought so. in my event we -- unfortunately we don't know a lot about her situation. her situation is a bit unique because she was apparently estranged from her family back in 2002 when she was abducted. she was the first woman taken. she is a bit older. she was a single mom back then. the family dynamic there is very complicated, shall we say. there's a lot of concern now in this community because while >> a good saturday afternoon to you. i'm craig melvin. you're watching msnbc. we begin with the backlash from ben zba zi. >> it was inexcusable and it should preclude her from holding higher office. >> who is rand paul talking about there? hillary clinton. is hillary or the truth about ben zba zi really the truth here.
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they were a happy family reunions for 2 other two women released there was none of them that for michelle knight because she didn't have anywhere to go. we are not sure who is taking care of her. i assume it is a social service agency or nonprofit group. people like that who step into this void that exists in her life. so that's all we know at this point about her circumstances. will is a facebook page out will. people are trying to express their concern. we understand the hospital where she was at, there is a -- vigil >> ten weeks after the sequester taking effect, the economy and the most vulnerable in this society are continuing to experience its effects. >> who are those most vulnerable. think head start, think after school programs. we're going to meet some of the people in the middle of the sequester fight coming up. >> ladies and gentlemen please welcome your governor, chris going on, rally, formulating so that people can show their support for her because there's a lot of concern about her case because it seems to be -- it is a little different than the other two. >> i understand you also talked to one of the 911 dispatchers that took amanda berry's call. what did she have to say? >> we talked to the radio dispatcher. not the one that took the call. this is a woman who has been working for the police for 10, 11 years. she was involved in dispatching police to the house who were christie. >> what the hell is this? chris christie never one to shy away from poking fun at itself. first we've got some new information right now from cleveland, ohio. gina da hay sus and amanda night have been in touch with each other since her release from the hospital yesterday. the man accused of kidnapping
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involved in the rescue. a woman have sfr from the community and knew instantly she heard the name aamanda berry come over the two-way system something special was happening. like so many other people in the community. here is a bit of sound from her as to what her reaction when she heard the name amanda berry in the police radio transmissions. have a listen. >> i couldn't believe i was hearing her voice. to actually hear her voice, even as hysterical as she was, to the women is behind bars under suicide watch. he allegedly held them for more than a decade until their rescue on monday. nbc's ron allen is in cleveland. i know this is a developing situation but do we know anything about the kind of kmup occasion between the two women and what more can you tell us about michelle knight's condition? >> reporter: well, craig we didn't know a lot about this communication. we just know that the two women were apparently in contact, hear her voice was -- it was the most gratifying moment of my career. it was joyful. it was a joyful moment. we were crying and clapping. it was -- even still today, it gives me chills. >> reporter: unusual perspective to hear from the police civilian employee who was there involved in the rescue behind the scenes. we asked to talk to the police who were involved in this. the department declined because of the nature of the case and because there will be a trial or perhaps a phone call. i can't imagine that they were visiting each other. it stands to reason that they would be because these women endured such a unique ordeal together. they're being approached by all types of people, attorney's mental health professionals. we have some tape that we can show you that a rally that was held for michelle knight just a few minutes ago here in cleefd. dozens of people came together
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legal process atom point. that woman's interview gives you some sense of just how moved people were by what happened here. >> and how many folks in that community are deeply affected by all of this. ron allen in cleveland. we will come back to you throughout the afternoon. thank you, sir. let's go ahead and turn to the political headlines now. slight scare at the white house today. federal agents evacuated the west wing early this morning when they saw smoke coming from a mechanical room near the oval office. they called the fire department and turned out to be an at the hospital where she was undergoing some treatment until very recently. they're concerned that her situation is very different from the other two women. she's es staininged from her family. she's now a an undisclosed location. she didn't have a happy homecoming reunions in the cases that we saw of the other two women because of some significant differences that she's had with her family that date back to the time before he was abducted. there's people in the community overheated transformer. no one was hurt. the white house was also on its heels yesterday as it was revealed the obama administration was involved in tweaking those talking points that ambassador susan rice used. when talking about last year's benghazi consulate attack. jay carney says the edits were stylistic and cia and state department were also involved in the edits as is typical. >> there was an interagency possible chess is always the case because lot of agencies that have started a facebook page and are holding the rallies to focus the attention 0 o on her e, all three women and the child of course but her in particular an other missing woman who are out there. there's some report that there are 34 young teens and women who have acest disappeared around ariel castro's home in the past ten years. he has not been died no any of those on the recent dna tests that the state conducted.
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have stakes, have a stake in matter like this. >> kentucky senator rand paul was in iowa last night speaking to a very friendly crowd of republicans who might not mind if he decided to run for president. >> i was in new york the other day. driving down the road. the police -- this is an easy crowd. >> back to benghazi. again an outpouring of support for all four survivors and especially michelle knight. >> i also understand that you talked to the police dispatcher who sent police to les cue amanda berry and the other two women and the other girl as well on monday. what did the dispatcher tell you? >> this was a very unique perspective on that whole res kau operation. now we wanted to talk to the cops and all that but they can't because of the ongoing court case. who knew what when and why it matters. hose questions are at the center of the investigation of the september 11 attacks on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. some republicans want former secretary of state hillary clinton to testify again and speaking before 12500 republicans in iowa last night, again, kentucky senator rand paul who is exploring his own presidential run went after clinton. >> there's no excuse in the six months leading up to this when your people on the ground, military people, state but this is a woman who had been there for ten years. she coincidentally was there when the da hay sus family called in to report their daughter miss. he was there the night the rescue happened and dispatched the police to the scene and knew immediately when amanda berry's name came up they were talking about the missing woman. here is her reaction to hearing that name on the police radio traffic and her thoughts when he heard this. >> i couldn't believe i was
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department people, are asking for more help. they are asking for security. her pleading for security ask had got nothing. it was inexcusable and it was a dereliction of duty. it should preclude her from holding out our office. >> joined by jake sherman, "chicago sun-times," lynn sweet. good to see all of you. lynn, let me start with you. how much will this ongoing investigation into the attack hurt hillary clinton's future chances of running for hearing her voice. to actually hear her voice, even as his steer call as he was, to hear her voice it was, it was the most gratifying moment of my career. it was joyful. i was a joyful moment. we were crying and clapping. it was even still today it gives me chills. >> reporter: jennifer daunch that was. there are so many people in the president? >> it will only hurt significantly, craig if it really is shown that she did something wrong in this tragedy. the back and forth over talking points i think will fade in time. and rand paul is actually doing her a favor because the more he goes to iowa on a political mission to talk about what he thought with her failings in this case only makes it much easier but the democrats to say he's just politicizing. the situation. community that knew about amanda berry being abstukt ducted. some followings the developments day by day. that little bit of sound was an indication of how deeply affected some people were by the rescue of these women and the little chierld here the other night. >> on the west side of cleveland, ohio, ron. thank you. do appreciate you. >> to our political headlines,
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>> jake, the white house again now admitting it was involved in the 12 rounds of edits or so that went into rice's talking points when she talked about the incident a few days after it happen. white house spokesman jay carney insisting the edits did not significantly change what the public was told about the attack. >> fact that there are inputs is always the case in a process like this. but the only edits made by anyone here at the white house were stylistic and president obama is playing golf. they evacuated the west wing the morning when they saw smoke coming from a mechanic kl room. it turned out to be an over headed transformer. no one was hurt. reports surfaced yesterday that the obama administration was in fact involved and editing talking points to describe the nonsubstantive and corrected the description of the building where the facility and benghazi from consulate to diplomatic facility. >> is the white house changing its story significantly? >> it really doesn't even matter what the white house says at this point. this is a pretty easy issue for americans to understand. four people are dead and there is a lot of confusion about just what happened. and the problem for hillary clinton and broadly the obama administration is that this attack. republicans have known this for months and nothing improper was done. >> the republicans have choz nn the latest iteration of their effort toe politicize this to provide, you know, leak this information to reporters, information we provided months ago to republican lawmakers to the community and republican leadership as well as democratic. >> a friendly reminder folks, in case you forgot mother's day is
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isn't going away. republicans and:keep this live. they will hold hearings in the house and senate. hillary clinton's name will be in the mix of this for the entirety of this investigation. so it doesn't really matter rand paul is going to iowa or people getting speeches -- giving speeches about this. this will be on every cable network every time as members of congress continue to dive into this issue. >> earlier in the week, the oversight committee held the hearing, you contend we didn't tomorrow. in honor of that kate edwards has an editorial in the post. when you put together the thousands of little stories and the traits they embodied you get a portrait of the woman i most admired in the world. you get a picture of my mother. with me now for a unique perspective, former u.s. learn a whole lot of new information but you also reintroduced the standdown question. what is that? why has that slipped through the cracks? >> well, there have been various permanent yeahtations of a question of whether anyone said you should stand down. first questions about whether the cia said it to the special -- security person whole showed up and died, that dash that hasn't borne out. the current question is who in the military -- chain of ambassador mark ginsberg. i'm so glad you could come in today, mr. ambassador and hopefully shed some light on the noise. i want to goat your general take on what's going on on capitol hill reporting the attack in bengha benghazi. >> so much of it has been pollicized. there are several substantive stories that are getting lost here in the republican effort to take pot shots at the white
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command, this part is complicated and easy to politicize. who told the small security force they had available not to take an earlier plane when they would have been there for the mortar attack in benghazi. and -- the -- it is a -- compelling question. reason i say it is impossible to scrub away is that we knew that in october before the election, panetta talked about the chain of command decided not to send more forces there and had seven people ready. one medic. four people who were ready to house over rhetoric when reality is the substance of the benghazi attack and why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it. >> what do we know about the substantive? >> well the substantive issue is first and foremost why was the security requests of the regional security officer consistently denied by the under secretary of state for management and the staff of the state department. that has not -- that's been lost in all of this because had those deal with it. we know know they didn't have a ton of arm -- had they been september we may have talking about a situation which 11 or 8 americans died. when gregory hicks talks about the corn whole was thinking about going, being denied mishly, we don't think about whether that was a good strategic decision. we talk about the shame of the military man being told he can't go into the fight. standdown, trying on get it out requests been honored and abided by, there's a very good chance that ambassador stephens and that staff would have been alooifd today. >> how common is it for any amendment to put oun talking points on issue concerning national security like this? >> it happens all the time and frankly it is not surprising. >> and the revisions. >> there's always revisions that take place. the context of all of this is very important, kraig. remember, libya was the success
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of him. it is emotionally powerful. whether or not -- sending the military, holding back the military, prevented a larger disaster. >> the white house continues to say the republicans are leaking this information about the edits, political gain. they contend gop was informed about them months ago. and only choosing to reveal them now. take a listen. >> ongoing attempts to poll it sides a tragedy that took four american lives, we are now story when the administration interkreend with nato to get rid of ker nol ka daffy. so clearly it was a terrible embarrassment for the amendment to see what took place in libya in the first place. that has been lost in all of this. >> where does the benghazi story go from here, or does it? it seems as if it's got legs right now. >> i think clearly the seeing it resurface together with, you know, sort of -- political assertions by republicans. >> if republicans did know about these edits a long time ago and are indeed behind the leak, what's the point of leaking the information now? >> well, you know, goes with the hearings. the -- point isn't whether whether and where these leaks came from. i don't know. but what jay carney is trying to do is just as interesting. he is trying to say to you that republicans are going to try to hold the former secretary of state accountable for what took place and i'm frankly less disposed to buy into that because i served in the management bureau of the state department and i understand how the system works. she would be the last person to be making decisions about how much security to be provided and what talking points to be issued by the state department. >> are our embassies, are our consulates all over the globe,
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it is -- therefore not for. that's the distraction, deflection. and that's part of the art of being a press spokesman. you have to keep your eye on the ball in terms of what happened and are these changes significant and it seems like that is an open question. i agree it doesn't seem very substantive. especially more compelling questions about what happen order a day of the attack. i think that what is the -- is the thing on watch is how the white house tries to deflect on -- dealing with whatever is are they adequately se cured. >> no there's no way that all of them are adequately secured. when i was ambassador in mora cothere was also a concern. this has been the big problem in the state department. how do you basically provide the resources to protect embassies that are clearly more dangerous than other embassies. in the case of libya, we already had notice that the regional security office of that embassy will and trying to answer a question and make it go away. the questions are legitimate. whether or not they released or not. >> thanks to all three of you. appreciate your time. he was america's most wanted. 16 years on the run. whitey bulger's story. what's america's fascination with prince harry? determined that there was less security at that embassy and it needed more security which the state department denied. >> what should the white house had done differently if anything, in terms of the handling of some of the backlash, some of the fallout? >> well i think at this point in time the white house probably should have recognized pretty immediately that this was a terrorist attack and frankly, giving the take over these talking points, really masked the fact that i'm sure the president and the staff were the last persons to know exactly
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the royal visit just ahead. what the security situation was on the ground in libya. that is left to the state department to manage and the diplomatic squurt bureau and the secretary for management. >> good to have you. thank you so much for that insight. >> sure. >> britain's prince hairy in colorado springs right now attending the warrior's games. he was on hand to light the torch at the last hour at the opening ceremonies as we showed you. mike, first first of all, where does the prince head after today's event, after the warrior games? >> reporter: i think where he wants but he's going to stay in colorado springs. this is not the prince hairy who is the prank ster type. this is a guy that's very serious about the reasons he's here. he's not here because he's a prince. he is here because he's a soldier, an active soldier.
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he was wearing his fatigues today for the air corps. he used to say and he said this to several reporters when he was employed that he's one of the guys. he presents himself that way and the people who have spoken to him say that's really the way he is. that's the attitude he take to this. in remarks by a brunch that was covered by pool, so not all cameras had it, he knows firsthand the bravery of the troops. he said it's the same bravery they take from the moment of injury, in many cases injury that's life threatening through the hours and days of months of intense rehab. he's here to support that effort. he's done that before this day as well, wanted to be on hand today to help light the torch of a rely of torch bearers. was right behind the stage. he didn't stop to talk with me, but he kid what hae came here to
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do. now the prince has left the building for parts unknown. he didn't tell me where he was going to be going. >> we'll let you leave the building as well. thank you for your time on this saturday. >> okay. >> up next the cost of the sequester cuts. how it's hurting average americans right now. we'll take a look at that. plus a little bit later, chris christie unplugged poking fun at himself and that famous fleece. all business purchases. so you can capture your receipts, and manage them online with jot, the latest app from ink. so you can spend less time doing paperwork. and more time doing paperwork. ink from chase. so you can.
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dramatic search for the boston bombers is not first high-profile manhunt in bean town recent memory. back in 1995, whitey bulger pled the city and after 16 years at she pretty much lives in her favorite princess dress. large and 12 years on the fbi's ten most wanted tujtive's list he was arrested in california june of 2011. as his trial approaches this june, a new book is out. whitey bulger, america's most wanted gangster in the manhunt that brought him closer to justice. it is written by "boston globe's" kevin cullen along with his colleague. they covered it for some 25 years. good to see you. >> thanks. >> first of all, were any of the boston officials who were at the center of the bulger case -- and she's not exactly tidy. even if she gets a stain she'll wear it for a week straight. so i use tide to get out those week old stains and downy to get it fresh and soft. since i'm the one who has to do the laundry. i do what any expert dad would do. i let her play sheriff. i got 20 minutes to life. you are free to go. [ dad ] tide and downy. great on their own, even better together.
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were they also involved in the manhunt to find the boston bombers? >> no. there is a real gap between that. at at the time very tlend was a small -- very small multi-agency task force. really came down to an fbi agent. neil sullivan. they were able to find him in the end by actually putting out a series of ads a woman sitting in her in iceland recognized them as this couple, him and whitey's longtime companion on the road with him. a come named kathy greg. this woman from iceland knew them from santa monica and used to stop and take care of a stray cat. she thought -- she liked her. she didn't really like him. that's how they found him. >> bulger on the run for so long. featured on "america northeast wanted" 16 times. depicted jack nicholson in "the departed." you and your co-author write in the book, quote, we aim in short
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to present whitey in full. maybe descriptions of him and much of the lore about him have traded in caricature. whitey was more complicated, compelling, more frightening than that. how so? >> i mean, he is a guy of contradictions. he is charged with 19 murders. several of those murders involve him, the allegation, as he put a gun to the back of a head of a human being and blew hair brains out. after he did that on several occasions he went upstairs and took a nap. we found people that he knew on the run, initially they were in louisiana and they were in cajun country. they ate dinner with them all the time. what this family had a litter of upies and one of the puppies was so developmentally disabled they were advised by the vet to put the dog down. when the cajun fellow took out his gun to shoot the dog whitey looked away and couldn't watch sequestration. it's a bigger word and it is having a big effect on many americans. who's being hit the hardest? joining me now nancy cook, economic correspondent, glen
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the dog be shot. when the shot rang out he began to weep. this is a fellow who could weep over a puppy and yet the allegations out that he did the same thing to human beings and was so casual about it he could go upstairs and take a nap after doing. >> it different kind of evil allegedly. you are part of the team that outed bulger as an fbi informant in 1988. what kind of immunity has he had or does he feel he's entitled bailey, executive director of the center. ron i want to start with you. had head start started to feel the effects of the sequestration yet? >> absolutely. there are slots that are not being filled, there are head start programs who have had to cut their hours, services diminished already. children who would normally be getting nutritious meals aren't. to? >> i personally think whitey watched too many jason bourne movies and cannot get immunity to murder a u.s. citizen. it doesn't happen. he wants it both ways. he is trying to claim she not an informant because where he came from there's nothing worse than being a rat. nothing worse than the irish consciousness and being an informer. he was an informer. part of our book relies on the 700 page informant file in which the material we went through he would have you believe the fbi made it up. so at a time when childhood hurng is a problem in the country, it's going to increase. the kinds of medical exams that children would get they're not getting, medical exams are not occurring. on top of all of this, parents need head start so they're able to go to work. in many cases they're not able to go to work because the services of head start have been cut. >> and no one has stepped in -- to this point no one has stepped in to fill in some of the gaps
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the information was nothing that an fbi agent would know. stuff from about his gang or his own people and was about his competitive gangsters upon whitey knew this information. when he said he wants -- you believe he was an informant and the government liked him so much they gave him to immunity to murder human beings is nonsense reward of $2 million had been offered for information leading to his capture. that amount second only to osama bin laden's capture reward money on the fbi's most wanted fugitive's list. yet? >> no. it seems as if head start is you viewed as collateral damage in the fight occurring in congress. there is no sense of sutterurge resolve this. this lifeline has been cut for 70,000 children. it's a hell of a mother's day card to send to 70,000 women in how did he's cape for so long? how did he remain on the run for so long? >> first year of any fugitive investigation is crucial. as shelley and i point out in the book, the fbi took control of the investigation when he took off to find him which was a joke, blatant conflict of interest. not only was it a joke the fbi had anything to do with it, the very organized crime squad that he corrupteded, who he gave money to these agents, he socialized with these guys and ate dinner at their homes, and this country. >> glen, first for those involved familiar with your center swb what is it and have the sequestration started to affect your organization and how so. >> we run an emergency food pantry and a thift store that gives away free stuff here in salt lake city. what we've seen, because we don't have a lot of government money involved in our program, is that other programs that our clients delay on are now
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they were supposed to find him and didn't find him because they weren't looking for him. by the time that -- interagency task force was put together two years later, the trail had gone cold. so the fbi was corrupted and was totally corrupted by whitey bulger and not only looked the other way while he murdered people, they actively blocked law enforcement efforts to find him and to bring him to justice for these murders. the same fbi protected him while he was on the run. experiencing cuts and that's going to get worse. there was an emergency food pantry in salt lake county that's been closed adds a direct result of the sequestration. >> nancy when congress passed legislation to bring by air trachg controllers you wrote an interesting piece prchlts they're planning to rev up their interested to rev up the cuts by that's why he was out there for 16 years because the fbi was totally corrupted by this guy. >> the whole thing sounds fascinating. 2 new book is out. thank you so much. do appreciate your time. harry's u.s. tour. how he is paying tribute to your wounded warriors. what do we hope to learn from the benghazi attack? one of the house members questioning the witnesses at this week's hearing will join me in just a few minutes. copd makes it hard to breathe... a few billion dollars here or there. the actions of the farks aa the past week offer a play book for other to use as they too seek exceptions. have we started to see any of the other groups to lobby to undo some of the effects of the sequester. >> what we started to see since i wrote the piece was really there are more and more agencies that are not going to furlough employees. so the department of education said this week it's not going to
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to help your group. >> no. we're watching the other groups in town that do get significant government money. we're looking al cuts to affordable housing with utilitying, head start, wic, meals on wheels. all of these things are going to be rolled out and the longer the situation continues the more obvious will impact is going to become. >> ron wu how about you? any other help in the administration. >> not at all except suggestions about how you can make the cuts. it's almost as if growing up when you had shoes that were too hit, instead of getting shoes that fit they say take a razor blade and cut the side of the shoe. there is no ar generalcy in resolving this problem. we don't sense it when we're talking now about cutting weeks of service, cutting the number of children sefbed. there does not seem to be anyone in washington, d.c. who is saying we are going to solve
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britain's prince harry is in colorado springs at this hour. he is there to attend the warrior games. it show cases wounded and injured wounded service members. our man in colorado, mike taibbi in colorado springs hanging out with prince heir write on a saturday afternoon. always good to see you, sir. this, we're going to resolve it. we made the mistake, now we're going to fix it. we get no sense of that at all. >> who pays the biggest political price as the sequester continues to unfold or will there be a price. >> the polling has shown that both congress and the president at this point are sharing the blame and that's polling from the pugh research center. both parties are taking the hit. what's on the prince's agenda? >> reporter: well, he going to be here. we are not sure whether he will be outside here or whether he will be inside. little bit of rain coming down now. i'm no meteorologist but know how to look at a cloud. there's weather in these clouds. they may move the opening ceremonies which is scheduled to start in a few minutes indoors. prince harry has been here since last night. a reception for him last night in denver. he was greeted as not a hero necessarily but someone that's greatly admired and certainly a it's not justing on can be the republicans or the white house. they're sharing the blame. a lot of americans still haven't seen the effects of the sequester show up in their daily lives. so until more americans see it there's going to be less political pressure to do something about it. >> people don't feel it until they themselves feel it. nancy cook, economic correspondent at the national journal within glen bailey, executive director of the
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celebrity who will bring much more attention to these warrior games now in their fourth year than they had at this point. even more than last year when michelle obama and the first lady was here. prince harry himself is for to these games not just because he is able royal although that's for for the press coverage but because he also is, as you pointed out, regular army. aerl air corps to be precise. apache attack helicopters and spent would tours in afghanistan. not one. four-month tour in deadly helman crossroads urban center in salt lake city. a big thanks to all three of you. a milestone at the world trade center. we eem take a look at that, plus, missing chris christie's beloved fleece jacket. the boisterous governor goes viral. new car! province in january. he knows firsthand what the soldier's life is like and with the risk it is soldiers are. he is at these games because he always supported wounded warriors and now the warrior games as projects and issues that are close to him and he wants to come here and show his support. he will be here for the opening ceremony write and here tomorrow for the first full day of competition. just so you know what it is, paraolympic type events. seven eventings ranging from archery, cycling, track and hey! [squeals] ♪ [ewh!]
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it is good to satisfy you on a saturday afternoon. >> good afternoon to you. >> the white house insists it had minimal involvement in crafting these talking points. what's your take on that? >> e-mails that have come out tend to point the other way. a lot of the talk originally was we have to protect the cia methods and operations but it was the cia pushing for more transparency and the state department and white house saying let's not call it an take and go back to the store by the youtube video which has proven to be false. that's the one thing we did learn out of the benghazi hearings we had on wednesday from day one, everybody on the ground said it was an attack. >> the white house says that the e-mail between the white house and state department insist that these e-mails were made available to congress months ago. by bringing them up again, it is accusing republicans like yourself of playing politics. i want you to listen to press secretary carne write and talk about it on the other side. >> republicans chosen in the
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latest iterations to politicize this. to provide -- leak this information to reporters and information that we provided months ago to republican law make from the relevant committees and the republican leadership as well as democrats. >> if that information was provided to republicans months ago, why now? >> i didn't get the information months ago. it didn't come to me. >> okay. >> and -- the timing, i think, a great cup of coffee should be easy as one, two... well, just one. new single serve cafe collections from maxwell house now available for use in the keurig k-cup brewer. is -- appropriate because of the committee hearings that we recently had on benghazi. we are getting to the truth now. we have months of stonewalling and now here we are getting to whistle blowers out in front of the cameras and out testifying to congress so we can find out what happened so we can -- give peace to the family and victims and we can make sure something like this doesn't happen again. i'm really concerned by the fact that we didn't get more help to those people quicker. will were mistakes made in there and we need to look at that as always good to the last drop. following a hostage situation in
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well. >> "the washington post" grabbed this page from the national republican congressional committee website yesterday. i'm showing it to our viewers now. that looks like poyltsation there. it looks like they are trying to politicize a tragedy mop? >> listen, i'm on organizing for america mailing list. i get e-mails from them what's trenton, new jersey. this has been going on for more than 24 hours now. the police are negotiating with a suspect inside the home there. we don't have a lot of details right now be but the trenton police are working with the fbi to try and end the standoff piece fli. meanwhile the nbc station in philadelphia, they're reporting that there are multiple hostages inside that house, including children. again this is a hostage standoff in trenton, new jersey we're happen something the news as well, asking for money and asking me to take action. it is the way fund-raising works. us tie on to what happens in the news. >> try to raise money off of it. >> both sides do it. i don't like it. but it is, unfortunately, the way the game is played. >> rand paul last night, i'm sure have you seen or at least heard about rand paul there in iowa, talking about benghazi. specifically going after hillary clinton over benghazi. following. we'll update you on the story as we can. an amazing story out of bangladesh. rescuers pulled a woman out alive. they pulled her out yesterday. she had been trapped for 16 days. more than a thousand people died when the fact tri collapsed last month.
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are you worried at all that actions like that -- speeches like this, that that may make it seem as if the republicans are trying to politically benefit? >> listen, here is the truth of the matter from my standpoint. clinton is a possible presidential candidate. she is somebody responsible for this if she is the people in building that had a problem with it the language, in gash in the talking points with susan rice, i want to know had a and i think everybody wants to know that so they can decide whether or not the postal service lost $1.9 billion in the last three months. that's actually better than the same period last year when the post office lost a whopping 3.2 build on. but the post master general says the post office is going to continue to lose money if it does not get help from congress or raise its prices. it is now the tallest building in the western hemisphere, the second tallest on the face of the weather. they want on vote for or the democrat side of the primary, republican side in the general election. >> congressman, thank you for your time. with more now on the benghazi blame game, let's go to the war room. richard goodstein and boris epstein good to see both of you. thank you for being here. >> good morning. >> it is not morning. it is afternoon. it is morning somewhere. richard, let me start with you since you know the time of day. the construction crews put the spire on top of the world trade center yesterday, one world trade center. the build is 1776 feet and it is set to open next year. well we've been reporting throughout the afternoon about the new concerns over how the obama administration may have tried to downplay terrorist involvement in the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi september 11. we want to take it to the brain
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house minority speaker pelosi was on msnbc a short time ago and asked specifically about the partisan nature of the benghazi conversation. take a listen. >> the obsession that some of my republican colleagues have in the house is -- doesn't look like it is on the path to finding a solution but to keeping an issue alive. >> are republicans obsessed? trust. evan, white house correspondent for buzz feed and fran chess ka chambers. we should remind folks that what we do on a saturday amp, we have the discussion for a while. at the end we crown the biggest brain. they get 60 seconds or 90 seconds to go on with what they like. there's a big cheek too. i made up the last part. there's no check but we with do give you some time to rant. >> is that a straight question? >> yeah. >> the fact of the matter is that if -- all you do is watch fox news and read drudge and go to certain donors and have colleagues that have a certain point of view and staff kind of view, you are convinced to a certainty that this really is the crime of the century. remember, this isn't the onliably to watergate. that was sill indsilyndra. the problem here for the let's start with you. the white house says there's nothing new here, it's all about politics. this is press secretary jake karen any friday. take a listen. >> republicans have chos chosen to politicize this to provide, you know leak this information to reporters, information we provided months ago to republican lawmakers from the relevant committees and republican leadership as well as
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republican party, not taking kind of -- lessons from me is that after the 2012 elections where they tried hammer the issue to no effect. i thought the lesson was they got beat bad that we need to -- regroup and have a new message and this is just doubling down on something that didn't work before because at the end of the day we know what the factses are that independent panel came out with them, department said they were going to adopt all the recommendations and we didn't learn a darned thing that was new at that hearing. >> it is difficult. it is -- difficult to disagree democratic. >> are will you concede that at least part of the benghazi controversy is plain old fashion partisan politics, at least part of it. >> i find it hard to make that argument at this point though. the latest attacks wront coming from republicans. the questions he was getting yesterday were in correct relation to a nbc story that was published that day. i find it hard to blame what happened recently on with that one. >> it is easy for me. >> well, what did we learn -- what new information, new substantive piece of information, new nugget, from the hearing on wednesday? >> the fact there was a -- really concerted effort by the white house to cover up or to change some of the wording in the talking points is something we learned. here's not the most for thing. much of solyndra there was wrongdoing in both of those. we are following up on those -- republicans. >> angela, part of it partisan politi politics. >> all of it is partisan politics. i will compare this to the attacks that folks experienced in the bush administration with the weapons of mass instruction argument. it's a little different and here's why. with weapons of mass destruction it's about the capability of another country and what it can do to us. this is about questioning the fortitude of our national
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that. this is not gus g news for democrats. certainly not for hillary clinton when she testified herself she was overly emotional and tried to stonewall the committee in being -- screaming and yelling as you see now. but not giving any answers. what the congress wants to see, republicans want to see democrats should as well, what actually happened, what the -- what the secretary of state do, why was there not help sooner? security and our ability to protect other americans. it is dangerous. it's absolutely partisan because folks are scared of hillary clinton. they need to be concerned with what they're doing to our national security. >> it is curious last night to hear rand paul in iowa go on aeb on about hillary clinton. did that not strike you as a bit odd. >> republicans i think do have some concerns about what the state department knew, when it knew it and geb these recent politicizing it. should rand paul be going after her? >> should we be raising money from it? >> no. >> take a listen. >> she was asked directly by myself and others did you read the cables. did you read the request for help. she said no. she says i'm busy. i get lots of cables. i say, look, i don't expect you to read every cable from bulgaria or estonia but i do rounds of revelations about the talking points that were changed for various reasons that took out the reference to acts of terror, i think there's some legitimate questions to be asked about what was changed and why and what the state department new and when it knew it. >> what about the fund-raising effort that was launched using the hearings as a tool to help raise some money rchl well, you know, i personally can't speak to that. you know, i don't work for the party and yobt know what they're
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expect you from one of the five most dangerous countries in the world, libya, to be reading the cables. >> hillary clinton's name was mentioned more than 30 times at that hearing on wednesday. rand paul goes after her last night in iowa and we know how for the hawkeye state is when it comes to picking presidents. why does it seem as if republicans are going after hillary far more than they are going after the white house on this? >> well, looking at your watch, last year in 2012, same facts. trying to accomplish with that. that does make it look more like a political issue. i'll concede it for you there. >> not concede for me. concede for the the sake of a fact. jam carney held a brief yesterday. you talked with bush secretary about that. you wrote in part, he knew from the moment that the reporters started tweeting out the issue, that white house has lost the obama was the target. now, of course, obama is not going to be running again. hillary clinton might. 2013. we can expect, frankly, until a lot of the people take their last breath, they will be convinced to a certainty something catastrophic here. good news for secretary clinton is we had an independent panel and ambassador picker iin ingpi at all the facts, made a lot of recommendations which the secretary of state said they would implement every single one of them. so i -- may message to senator issue. >> if you ask arry niesher, very badly. he's a bush guy, not a huge fan of the white house palsy wise. but what he told me and i think what i heard from some other people and other reporters who were around washington an around the white house yesterday was kind of the timing of this briefing that the white house had. they had this background briefing. it's a standard thing. they do them all the time. i mean i've been in some of
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paul and everybody else is keep it going. fact of the matter is the people you are speaking to live in a certain bubble everybody else doesn't see it the way you do. i think that everybody else see it is issues in a different light. >> presenting both sides of the issue. this is not played ought -- has played out all over the major networks and getting a lot of air time. not just republicans that watch fox news. folks along the political spectrum who are learning more and more about what happened in them. they bring you in and they talk to -- you talk to senior administration officials about stuff. but the timing of this one which happened right before the scheduled white house daily briefing that's televised on the record, the timing of this particular briefing made it look like the white house didn't really want to talk on the record about the benghazi allegations that had come out earlier that day. i think his point and point maybe well taken is that it appeared that the white house benghazi. is there blame to be put on secretary of state clinton? is there a political game? of course. for over 200 years now -- >> i think the question is has the political gain or the -- is the politicizing of it, is that now overshadowed what -- perhaps at some point was a -- legitimate discussion over the merits about the facts. >> it shouldn't do so. bottom line is ambassador died, four americans. ambassador working directly for the secretary of state. didn't really have a great strategy going to manage the day, which is a very important part of what the white house does, manage the day day, message the messaging. the timing of the briefing suggested that maybe the whout wasn't on point with how to deal with this particular issue. >> really quickly. a follow up here. i would like to ask this question because i think it's eds for us to get inside baseball. is this something that the public, is this an issue that the public really cares about or
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the questions need to be asked, is there a politicization for any side of the political spectrum? there is not. >> at what point does this back pyre and at what point does hillary clinton start to look like someone who is being unjustifiably attacked? >> look, you know, i think she and people around her and democrats generally have very much gone out of their way not to point out the dozen attacks on u.s. embassies and compounds under the bush administration where dozens of people died is this more just beltway wrang ling. >> i think the specifics of being in a briefing or not is probably not the kind of thing that the public cares about. but the idea of what the appearance of how it appears to the public, that's it. the reason why jake karen any is there every day doing a televised briefing and the white house is putting out tweets and viens and tumblers and press releases every day, they want to community kate with people of because the fact of the matter is dash. >> you just did. >> no. i'm saying that they have not done that because that's to politicize it and i really think -- >> you just did so. >> i tryly think hillary clinton on the fence whether to run on or not. i believe if i'm hillary clinton and i look at this as like really is this your best punch? you have to throw at me? come on. i almost think this would encourage her to -- not clear her name but -- the feeling is really is this all you got? didn't work in 2012. >> those hearings, though, you america all the time and around the world all the time. we have to watch how they do that job. if they don't do it successfully it impacts what the president is able to do. >> will you at least concede that the white house perhaps could have handled this a bit differently. >> i think there are a number of things that could have been handled differently. but the most important thing here again is not holding public things that have to do with our national security.
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see how emotional she got. take this very seriously. you should, too. thank you so much. >> sage advice for the class of 2013 at howard university, washington d.c. former president, bill clinton, offering keys to their success. >> virtually all of you have the power to choose what you will do to earn a living. there are documents that are classified for a reason. it just doesn't make any sense when i comes to again weakening us from the a national security perspecti perspective. if it was a republican administration we wouldn't be seeing that kind of behavior. you have to step back and look at the long term, the long term strategy here and whether or not it really makes sense. i just don't think it does. rand paul said yesterday this should be her last, talking about hillary clinton, this should be the last high office it may sound self-evident but most people that ever lived including hundreds of millions, even billions of people on the face of the earth today, never had that choice. they simply did whatever was at hand and whatever form it presented itself. to put food on the table and if they had a family to support their families. you have a choice. that she holds. it's clearly political, no question, ifs ands or butts act it. >> you will only be graded today based on our next conversation because you've been talking about benghazi for several days. when we come back we'll talk about cleveland and what it says about all of us. ♪ [ male announcer ] the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the 2013 ram 1500
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what's the big idea? a program that works with students around the develop their communication skills and as a result the confidence. joining me now u.s. program director anna smith. good to see you. >> hi. thanks good to see you, too. >> how did this get started? how did debate mate, how was it born? >> well, our ceo was learning evan mcmoral san torah and fran says ka chambers. all eyes were on cleveland this week as details emerged about the horrors that three women went through at the hands of one neighbor resident. this is what the washington post has quote as much as we rejoice in the freedom of the captives in cleveland we have to wonder that there was such low social mobility in the uk and realized dash researching that and realized that the skills debating can teach you the confidence, communications skills, of speaking and listening and teamwork skills and those kind of things, really helped to break the cycle of poverty. she at the same time realized that her daughter and her private school had a really amazing relationship and dynamic with her debating mentor. and so she thought that if that kind of program could be how it was possible for their presence to go undetected for so long. they were held in a neighborhood of houses. not too far from where they all disappeared. where were the heros before now? what does this say about us as neighbors, angela rye, perhaps even about us as a society? >> sure, craig. i think that in your neighborhoods we're taught to look the owe bay, u ear taught to mind your own business and that kind of thing and i think most importantly we have to ask
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available in public schools, that it could have a really amazing effect and so she decided she should start debate mate which actually started really small with about 30 schools and grown to about 180 across the uk. >> and here in this country as well. now, too, you mentioned margaret mccain at one point she said in part, i set up the charity because if you are born poor, you are likely to die poor. and i wanted to change that. how does -- how has it worked in where were the heros that are in uniform. many communities in color, particularly those underserves in low income, law enforcement is not the friendly neighbor. law enforcement doesn't look officer friendly like so many of us grow up in elementary school. officer friendly is the officer stopping and frisking you. in new york they report that 50% of african americans an 30% of latinos are stopped and frisked terms of breaking down that barrier? >> well, we think that, you know, a lot of times it is about the way students see themselves and goals they set for themselves. when they are learning debating, and all of the empowerment that comes with that, about being able to speak with confidence, understanding how to listen to others, and then also this weekly interaction with university stuntmen tore, we found a lot of students start to feel really empowered about changing their own ideas for their future. on a regular basis despite the point that over 80% of the people stopped and frisked are innocent. we think about in seattle, washington, the department of justice had 0 to come in and settle cases. we is have to begin to ask the tough questions and have the really challenging conversations. >> one of those held, michelle knight, he was removed from a
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and thinking about, you know, options for universities for themselves and may not have considered before debating, before -- having their 16 weeks with their mentor going to london school of economics or harvard for their debate competition. >> what is next for you guys? what's the next step? >> well, right now we are hoping to expand in the united states right now. we are in boston and chicago. we want to be in more schools than those cities. between want to be in -- looking to expand to san francisco and new york and really anywhere that has a need because we see database of missing people 15 months after her disappearance in three because they were unable to contact knight's mother by telephone to verify that her then 22-year-old daughter was still miss. however. police department's written policy at the time describes a different verification process. it states that an officer must go and see that a missing person has been town. evan, did cleveland's police act the need for debate mate across the united states. at this point it is about funding, getting the funding so we can maintain the quality of our program. and expand as many cities as possible. >> fantastic program. again, it is debate mate. >> it has information how we started and what we do in the uk and what we do in the u.s. and internationally. the middle east, nepal, jamaica, aggressively enough on the missing women's cases? >> well, you know, i have to say there are a lot of people in cleveland who where are asking that question right now. there is a citizen's council, a citizen's advocate group along with a city council person there who is putting together a task force trying to answer that very question. this whole case is just absolutely amazing and eye
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rwanda, the list goes on. >> ladies and gentlemen, again, it is called debate mate. it is a big idea. anna smith, thanks to you so much. keep up the great work. >> thank you so much. what does chris christie's weight loss surgery mean for 2016? that's next. i want to make things more secure. [ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting opening, flabbergasting every kind of word you can think of to describe it is not big enough. one of the things that's very breasting about the case is the notion of michelle knight having gone missing, people didn't really believe that she had gone missing with some people thought she had run away, maybe she was knocked off this list. there is a lot of questions that the police have to answer. you know in with all of these cases there's always sort of a mixture of here roism and to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us. we can show you how at&t solutions can help you do what you do... even better. ♪ gives you 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone but her... no. no! no. ...likes 50% more cash. but i don't give up easy... do you want 50% more cash? yes! yes?! ♪ questions that need to be answers. there were neighbors that were heroic and rescued these women. but now there has to be investigations and inquiries to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again and what lessons can be learned from such a case. >> francesca is this case about the lack of resources available in poor urban areas in general. >> no, i don't think so at pull you have to look at two keys
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where to start with what you just said. >> right. >> but there's been some dispute over whether the neighbors called and whether the police responded. there's been no dispute about the neighborhood and the fact that even by the standards in that part of cleveland the unemployment rate considerably higher, poverty considerably higher. i don't know how you can say that this is not -- that the fact that it happened where it happened didn't have some sort of effect on the outcome. angela what were you about to say? >> i just want to say for the record it is not a fair point at all based on any type of data point, truth, no statistic indicates that cleveland overall is a bad metropolitan area. that's a hoarable thing to say. not based on any fact. craig, as a side note, great reporting in cleveland. can't leave that hanging out
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live pictures from colorado where britain's prince harry is attending the warrior games. there, though. >> really quickly, the fbi's national crime center database, more than 80,000 active missing person's records as of 2012. any idea why they get so little attention in this country. >> volume of these things -- i think the more important thing to talk about with this case, you maengsed earlier why didn't people know about it earlier. this is the kind of thing that i think rational normal people don't think could be happening in their neighborhood, don't you can see right there, there he is there on stage. we have also -- you can also see some america's wounded vets starting to file in for those warrior games. again, warrior games, paraolympics of sorts, for the wounded warriors in this country. prince harry continuing his american adventure. we are going to continue to follow this story throughout the course of the afternoon and keep you updated what's happening in colorado springs. news of new jersey governor chris christie's weight loss think about happening around them. i think if we lived in a world in which we thought behind every door was a scene like this it would be hard to come out of your house. it would be hard to do anything. so i think with these missing person cases and with all of these sort of cases and these crimes that happen, it's important that when these kind of things happen and when these kind of cases are found and solved, that we all take stock and learn what can learn from this to apply to the few her.
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surgery has, of course, renewed speculation about a possible 2016 presidential bid. christie says he had the weight loss surgery in if ebb because of personal reasons. he insists that his decision had nothing to do with politics. he talked to brian williams of rock center last night. >> ran as a candidate for united states, how would you survive a primary process in the current set of the republican party? because i don't think the right answer is to say you got to believe all of your neighbors are doing heinous things behind their doors. the right thing to do is look at what happened here and try to figure out what police can do differently, what anybodies can do differently, what governments can do differently. >> when we come back we'll crown the biggest brain. stick around. don't go anywhere. all business purchases. >> listen, i think very well. i will worry about the presidency if and when i ever decide to run for it. but if you are saying to me how do i feel as a republican? i'm a damned good republican. a did conservative republican who believes in things that i believe in but that does not mean that i would ever put party before my state or party before my country. >> jake sherman is back and so is the "chicago sun-times" lynn sweet. good to have both of you. lynn, you know, many said his weight would be an issue if he so you can capture your receipts, and manage them online with jot, the latest app from ink. so you can spend less time doing paperwork. and more time doing paperwork. ink from chase. so you can.
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decided to seek the higher office. does this take it off the table now? >> for now, yes. because weight is seen as something that is not only does the cosmetic issue but a health issue. and every person who runs for president usually discloses some medical information to show that they are in good enough health to take the job. yes, it may or may not take it on the table depending as if he keeps the weight off because he still has some work to do. >> you can't tell yet he even lost any of the weight. >> right. he still -- you know, the -- lap band surgery system, beginning on an end, we will see what happens with it. >> jake, you know, he was on letterman two weeks before the surgery mocking his weight. eating a doughnut. we all saw that. at the time we did not know he was having the weight loss surgery. this is what he told brian williams about that last night. >> doughnut incident with letterman was my good-bye before -- >> curtain call. >> it was.
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dave obviously didn't know that nor did anybody else. i needed to do something. i did not want to take the risk of becoming unhealthy and ramifications that would have for mary, pat and my four kids. i still have children in elementary school. i have a long road here as a pear and i don't want to miss any of it. >> once the governor does get to a healthy weight, jake, what are some of the other hurdles that he's going to face? >> listen, he has to govern the next couple of years. have you take him at his word. that was a pretty amazing feat, that doughnut. he has govern. they ride to use weight against him when he ran originally in 2009 that there was an ad that said he was throwing his weight around and didn't exactly work. even more importantly than his weight or any other peripheral issue, this guy has sky high approval ratings in a really democratic state. so he is an incredibly successful politician and his brand of conservatism, which is cutting deals, and not, you know, comb pleatly ignoring the other side, has been rewarded and that's not the kind of stuff
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we see here in washington too often. his brand of republicanism could take off. >> thanks to both of you. appreciate your time. we are polling the latest developments from cleveland as well. we con to learn more about michelle knight. the first girl taken captive. she was released from the hospital yesterday. we were also one step closer to paying tax owes just about everything we buy online. will that become law? we will discuss it next. to let one of our regular brain trust members have a moment. time to find out who is the biggest brain among the brain trust. today it was fairly unanimous for obvious reason. francesca you were eliminated. but i want to give you 15 seconds at the end of the broadcast to appeal to the people of cleveland in case you run into one of them on the street. angela rye you are the biggest brain. take it away mpl thank you, craig. in the irs investigation
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recreptly they missed a legitimate challenge. last week the biggest brain talked about the koch brothers then air roll. i want to talk about their pet projects, the alek. received part of the koch brothers $24 million contribution in to 1 to further that you are efforts to crushing democracy. some members of congress are up in arms and calling for investigation because ro cently om junior level irs employee es spent an obscene amount of time last year making groups go through additional hurdles if their names included tea party or patriot. however they missed a spot. many of us are hard pressed to understand how the american legislative exchange council has been able to maintain its 5013 c. throughout the union to prevent
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good saturday afternoon. you are watching "the place for politics." the obama health care plan take two. >> 70 new members that do not have the opportunity to vote on the president's health care. prankly, they have been asking for an opportunity. >> even if they don't repeal it, how refusing to fully implement it could derail it and what that could mean for the folks getting francesca do you want to in any way, shape or form explain or mend what you were saying about the city of cleveland? >> sure. actually what's funny about this i mean in no way to be offensive. i actually called up a friend earlier today to ask him what he thought about the case an the area. he agreed with all of these points. >> you should defriend him. he is no friend of yours. activities, i hope you will also cham minute whether the alek, given all of its activities should remain a nonprofit of the internal revenue code. >> congratulations. we are going to restrict you to the time limit that is generally allocated. >> sorry. >> but we enjoyed your points. thank you so much and congrats again. second time biggest brain.
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their health care through obama care. >> bottom line is i have month tolerance for this. >> that's president obama talking about the shockingly high rate of sexual assaults in the u.s. military. we will talk with two people who are working to change that. more than three weeks after one of the worst industrial accidents a criminal investigation is now under way in the town of west p. texas. >> he's so obviously not my friend. >> no he is obviously not your friend. and he doesn't know cleveland well. >> or maybe he just stays in certain parts of cleveland. >> cincinnati. >> impact strategies, francesca chambers, evan mcmorris san torah, appreciate your time on this saturday afternoon. that is going to do it for me. i will see you back here tomorrow 3:00 eastern. what it manassas ahead. we will get to all those stories ahead. we are hearing that two of the kidnapped women in cleveland have spoken to each other. nbc news confirms that gina dejesus and michelle knight are in communication since michelle's release from the hospital yesterday. this has 52-year-old ariel castro, the guy accused of kidnapping and raping the the three women over a decade is in jail. she reportedly under suicide watch. nbc's ron allen on the ground i've got to end this thing on time. the premier of the any, the brand new ed show. ed schultz is standing by. stay tuned. this is msnbc. we've all had those moments.
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for us in cleveland following the developments. i know that you are still working and getting more information but at this point what can you tell us about the communication between these would women? >> reporter: really not much, craig. only that this apparently happened at some point in the last 24 hours or so. since michelle knight was released from the hospital. we don't know the extent of it and don't know a lot about it. just -- makes sense they would be in touch. all of them would be in touch. families as well as they try to sort through this very difficult when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost. process. they are being -- getting a lot of requests for interviews and in touch with mental health ex-persons and in touch with the authorities and investigators. lawyers who are approaching them. it makes a lot of sense they would all be in some kind of communication at some point perhaps to sort of compare moats and to try to go through this together since they had such a very unique experience. unique horrible experience, obviously. >> looks like there's -- once again activity at the house behind you there. can you tell us what's happening there? what will be happening the next when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expect, is you can get all this with a prepaid card. spends like cash. feels like membership.
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couple of days as the castro home? >> reporter: this has been going on now for a couple of days. there are workers down there. you can see behind me who are erecting a huge ten-foot tall or so fence around the property. they are boarding it up. boarded up a couple of buildings here, couple of the homes here. they are trying to seal it for investigators who we think finished collecting the evidence they need there, 2 had 00 items, we are told might immediate to go back, trial and other legal proceedings are going to take time. they are also concerned about vandalism and concerned about arson. there is a city council here earlier today who said that there had been credible threats he had received and was aware of. that some people were so angry about what happened and they wanted to burn down the house. now we don't know any specific information about that. but, again, there is a security concern that police have turned off the utilities in the area and they are trying to seal this thing down and try to -- protect the house as a piece of evidence. they want to open up the street at some point so that life -- to are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule.
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some extent can return to normal here at least on this street. and as the whole process continues to unwind. they have been at it for a while. it is probably going to take a while to finish but just want to preserve that place and as i said protect it as well. >> es ron, we will come back to you later. thanks again, sir. let's get to our political headlines on this saturday afternoon. attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi was front and center again at the white house yesterday. the first technology of its kind... mom and dad, i have great news. is now providing answers families need. siemens. answers. [ pizza dodging man's mouth ] ♪ ♪ republicans are accusing the obama administration of downplaying how severe the attack was. citing the white house's role and talking points that have been made public. democratic leader nancy pelosi talked about that on msnbc this morning. >> we certainly have to give the full attention of benghazi deserves. but we cannot let it soak up all of the congressional attention. what would be the purpose of [ camera shutter clicks ] [ male announcer ] fight pepperoni heartburn and pepperoni breath fast with tums freshers. concentrated relief that goes to work in seco and freshens breath. ♪ tum...tum...tum... tum...tums! ♪ tums freshers. fast heartburn relief and minty fresh breath.
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that? >> rem congressman tom price decided not to run for the seat being vacated by retiring senator chambliss in 2014. price says he wants to focus on his role as vice chair of the house budget committee. democrats are hoping to take a run at winning that seat in the traditional red state. congress is set to vote on repealing obama care next week again. it has been voted on nearly 40 we want ed. we want ed. we want ed. we want ed. we want ed. we want ed. >> you know what? we're going back to work. and going around america is a big part of telling the story. fire in the hole. should be talking about infrastructure investment. >> a tlooifg rising midding times. house majority leader eric cantor says it is for to do it again so that new members of congress have a chance to cast their vote. kentucky republican rand paul talked about the health care bill last might in iowa. >> i know you heard some bad things about obama care. i haven't been a big fan of obama care but you know, just want to take care of you. they don't think you are smart enough to make these decisions, okay. >> with more now on the obama care vote and the fate of obama class -- >> invest in education. >> -- and a dynamic cutting edge economy. >> and going round two on health care. >> i'm going back with a serious note and kind
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care and generally -- ed o'ke e o'keefe. good to see you. ed, we were actually trying to get a count this afternoon before the broadcast and we gave up. no one seems to know how many times republicans tried to vote down obama care. but they continue to insist that it is a valuable use of time. this is house speaker john boehner talking about it thursday. >> we have 70 new members that have not had the opportunity to vote on the president's health care law. frankly, they have been asking for an opportunity to vote on and it we will give it to them. >> really? is this really an issue that republican freshman wanting to vote on? >> absolutely. depending who you ask, somewhere between 33 and 37 different times in the house and senate. mostly as republicans try to undo at least a part of the bill
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and this latest round is that. three dozen freshmen republicans who are eager to put themselves on the record as being wholly opposed to the entire law and eager to do away with it entirely. but had is also designed to get those votes to then vote for a different bill. house majority leader eric candor would like to see passed which would take money out of the health care law and put night one for people with pre-existing conditions and part of a bigger agenda that he has that is focused on more kitchen table issues and knows that in order to strip away just part of the law, first a bunch of the freshmen need to vote on repealing the entire law. they at least can then go home and say i voted to undo all of it. i also voted to undo just part of it. >> i got you. that makes sense to me. here is the thing. ed talked about some of the republicans who are opposed to this. there have been a growing number of democrats who appear to be distancing themselves from the
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controversial will as it starts to take effect. who are some of the more prominent democrats who are start thing? >> well, people mentioned senator max baucus who said he see as train wreck coming this was implemented properly. and some democrats are feeling anxious that this law won't be implemented well or properly and so they are nervous about it. they are not saying that they are against the law. they are just concerned about the way it could be implemented. you are going to have a lot of different programs and deadline is coming up. enrollment starts in october. a lot of work that needs to be done and a lot of the public just doesn't know a lot about the provisions and these particular requirements and programs. >> here is the thing. not only do a lot of folks not know about a lot of the provisions in the new health care bill. congress has absolutely refused to spend another dime on making folks in this country aware of some of the provisions. what that -- what might that in turn do to the bill? when. >> when it is done it forced the
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secretary of health and human services captain sibila that start calling a round to different health care companies and different non profit groups to see if they would be willing to put up some of the money to make sure that people can get enrolled. my colleague sarah cliff has this on the front page of "the post" talking about she had made calls to different folks in the health care industry saying if there is my way you can help foot the bill that would be helpful. congressional bean counters believed it is going to cost between $5 billion to $10 billion to pully implement the law. republicans are opposed to the law and would never vote to fund it. it is caused the obama administration to go cap in hand to some of the people that will be most directly affected by it, companies providing insurance or actually providing the medical care to see if they are willing to help make it happen. >> how real is the possibility when these exchanges come up when -- when they get launched in october that this is not going to go well? >> i mean, it is definitely a
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possibility. it is a heavy lift. and expect to see a big pushes especially in the summer ahead of these exchanges opening up to educate the public. it could be a bureaucratic nightmare and even president obama earlier this week when he convened a bunch of mothers at the whoys to talk of the law and encourage mothers to encourage their children to enroll, he mentioned, you know, work is not done. it is going to be difficult. even he is acknowledging that it is not going to be this easy transition. >> good to see both of you on a saturday afternoon. thank you. >> thank you. the number of sexual assaults in the military is absolutely shocking. coming up, what's being done about that. we will talk about that. also, why your purchase owes the internet may like just about everything else be taxed. right now in colorado springs, a live look opening ceremonies for the wounded warrior games. prince harry is on hand. so are wounded soldiers from all
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days of avoiding sales tax by shopping in in our shorts on the couch should soon be coming to an end. new internet sales tax bill passed the senate this week with -- wait for it -- bipartisan support. but it is going to face stiff opposition in the house. the new law would require most retailers to collect sales tax on items sold online. some republican law makers in the house say it is not going to happen because here's a tax in.
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j.j. is the host of msnbc's "your business." another expert. good to have both of you on a saturday afternoon. >> thank you. >> here is the thing, state governments say they are getting hosed. they claim they are losing a lot of money to the internet. 2012 states lost out on a collective total of more than $23 billion by not being able to collect taxes on internet sales. why shouldn't you pay sales taxes on things you buy online? >> let's just give little history to this. in 1992 the supreme court ruled that basically if you are a retailer and you sell to another state someone in another state, that retailer does not have to collect taxes for that state. now you are supposed to personally report those taxes but in effect, of course, nobody does that. did you ever -- bought something in north carolina -- >> tough to keep track. >> yes. basically now what is happening
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is they are saying okay, let's figure out way to collect the taxes. mob is self-reporting. let's figure out a way on get had a money to the states. >> zachary, you write in your column, the proposed law is entirely about raising taxes. the question being is rather -- these are taxes that ought to be raised. this is the way to raise them. you asked the question -- what's your answer to that question? >> i think that, look, we live in a world where government requires revenue and we require government to do a series of things for the common. an entire area of commerce and the st fastest growing area of commerce. and it is not just cannibalizing from brick and mortar stores. boutique opens. they have a website. it augments their business. i think it is entirely appropriate for them there to be some revenue collection aspect of this new economy. we vice president figured out a way to do it. i think this is taking an old law, shoehorning it into a new
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level of commerce, doing so in a way that's both infective and probably harmful to the businesses that it is collecting it from. >> if the law does pass, again, it has a steep client climb there are a lot of folks that say it may not happen now but in a few years it could be reality. fit passes retailers are going to have to collect the tax and then remit that to the state where the product was delivered. how heavy of a burden is that going to be especially for small businesses? >> okay, lot of people have been saying this a big burden. indeed there are thousands and thousands of tax municipalities. not just states. local taxes as well. i personally don't think that will be such a problem. there are so many rep entrepreneurial companies out there, amazon has to do it right now in all of the states where they have nexus basically they have a presence. they are having to collect taxes. i think that software can do this. anything for a small business is hard. but this is just simply placing numbers. people are going to aggregate
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this and get it done easily. >> i think, yes, a software -- bill mandates each of the states to develop harmonious software. i'm more skeptical the mandate will translate into good software. >> i don't know if the states will do it but there will be somewhere. ebay, google, amazon, somebody who does the back end of a lot of the online companies. >> one who does the heavy lifting for them. >> i think part of the problem this exposes is in an e.-commerce world, state-level tax that's should be -- and you i live in a state. we have a residence. businesses have that kind of physical location whereby they are deriving the commons from the local police force and fire department. that's part of the problem. lot of people talk for years about collecting a vat which every other european and -- value added tax. much more both simple and way of distributing the tax burden among sellers, wholesalers, and customers. it ain't going to happen. >> i was going to ask you about
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political feasibility. >> as of someone writing and putting ideas out there, it is worth talking about. >> how strong is the opposition in the house going to be to this idea? >> it is pretty strong. republicans are saying this is a tax and there are people saying that anything that is a tax we are not going to support. so it is strong but it is possible that it will pass. it has a lot of support as well. >> if not now some point of the future. at the end of the day we are talking about -- we are not talking about a few million. talking about $25 billion. that's probably a conservative estimate. >> in an industries that growing significantly. >> did you made an interesting point i hadn't thought about. the fact that a lot of the businesses do not rely on traditional services that are provided to brick and mortar business >> again, what this does expose, unfortunately, in my mind, is that this was co-sponsored by a republican in the senate which is unusual. just a way of, like, tacking on something to an old piece of tax sxlegs without really -- most effective waying to collect
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revenue in a world where a lot of commerce is online and increasingly things are national and how do you help states meet their tax obligations. this doesn't do anything. >> i have enjoyed our conversation. you will have to come back. bring your family, too. you can catch j.j. tomorrow morning, "your business," 7:a.m. on msnbc. live look at prince harry saluting u.s. vets at the warrior games. just about to get under way in colorado springs. you can see prince harry there sitting there and that -- blue beret on stage. here he is lighting the torch a few moments ago. one of america's wounded vets. again, for folks not familiar with the warrior games in colorado springs, this is akin to the paraolympics of sorts where our wounded veterans compete against each other.
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it is difficult to ever really know someone, to ever really know your neighbor, to know what they are doing or know what they have done. look at boston and the tsarnaev brothers. a boxer and wrestler. friends, family and a wife who seemingly had no idea the kind of terror they were plotting. here is a thought. it will always be difficult to comprehend the evil that can consume a person but one thing remains predictable. neighborhoods, families and communities will always rally around the survivors. look at boston. too many shows of support large and small to mention $30 million raised for the dead and the healing. in cleveland this week, neighbors, businesses, and the city vowing to help the three young women restart their lives, promising to do whatever it takes. p the tragedies disheartened are collective response time and time again should help renew our fate in the goodness of our
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fellow man. just a thought on this saturday afternoon. when we come back, more violence breaks out at the syria/turkey border. what's next there? our richard engel is on the ground and you are watching msnbc. the place for politics. [ female announcer ] can a body wash go beyond basic cleansing? olay ultra moisture body wash can with more moisturizers than seven bottles of the leading body wash. with ultra moisture your body wash is anything but basic soft, smooth skin with olay. ♪ now you can give yourself a kick in the rear! v8 v-fusion plus energy. natural energy from green tea plus fruits and veggies. need a little kick? ooh! could've had a v8. in the juice aisle.
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two explosions most likely car bombs in a town along turkey's border with syria has reportedly killed about 40 people. another 100 people were hurt. while the details of the attack are still coming out today's attack raises fears that syria's brutal civil war may be crossing into neighboring turkey now. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel with more on that with this report. >> reporter: this incidents that possibility of becoming quite significant because of the tensions between turkey and syria. turkey is supporting the opposition against al assad,
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syrian government feels that turkey is trying to undermine its ability to control the country and turkey hosts, refugees in this country, and it was in that area, southern turkey, where many of the syrian refugees are now living that these two -- at least would explosions took place. according to turkish officials there were two car bombings in the town in southern turkey. it is right on the turkish/syrian border. tens of thousands of syrians, people who escaped the fighting in syria, are living in this town. according to a turkish official this morning, the first of the explosions was a car bomb that exploded near the municipal building, killing at least four people, wounding at least 18 others. and the other explosion also a car bomb not very far away in the industrial zone. will have been no claim of responsibility or month way of knowing exactly at this stage who carried out these attacks
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but the suspicion at least in this town is that this was organized by the syrian government. by syrian intelligence agents and already some turkish youths were venting their frustration and smashing cars that have syrian license plates. and also some turks were going around roughing up syrian refugees. tense situation because of the volatility in the area and volatility between turkey and syria. richard engel, nbc news, istanbul. here is a quick look at some of the top stories making news on this saturday afternoon. right now britain's prince harry is in colorado at the paralympic style warrior games for wounded servicemen and wounded service women as well. prince harry, captain in the air corps, warrior games are just one stop on the prince's seven-day tour of the united states. repairs of the space station today nasa space walkers are
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trying to fix an ammonia leak at the space station's coolant system. nasa says the leak at this point is not putting the space crew in danger but left unfixed the glitch could cause more complications later on. check this out. in case you haven't seen it yet. this new addition to the manhattan skyline. construction crews put the spire on top of one world trade center yesterday. the building now stands at an emblematic 1,776 feet. the highest skyscraper in the western hemisphere now. the second highest in the word. set to open next year. both sides of the aisle in congress do agree on one issue. something has to be done about sexual assault in military. several members of congress are introducing legislation to prevent violent sexual assault in the armed forces including
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new york senator gillibrand. victims to bring complaints to a special military prosecutor instead of their boss. this comes after a new pentagon report this week that shows unreported sexual assaults in the military went up from 19 to 26,000 last year. the number of reported assaults, these are, again, the reported assaults. those rose 6%. 3, 3,074. >> i have no tolerance for this. we find out someone is engaging in had stuff they have to be held accountable, stripped of their positions and prosecuted. court-martialed. fired. dishonorably discharged, period.
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>> sherry is a victim of military sexual abuse. thanks to both of you for being with me on this saturday afternoon. let me start with you. let's talk about gillibrand's proposal which would allow victims to report assault to specifically train train prosecutors rather than to their boss. how would that help? how would bypassing the chain of command help victims? >> we have been working on the bill with senator gillibrand for weeks and has been a real leader in terms of acknowledging that will's institution alibi yaz in the criminal justice system in the military. today when you report it is your commanding officer who is determining whether or not the case goes forward to trial and selects the jury and judge. in a couple of high-profile cases could even overturn sexual assault conviction. you have bias throughout the entire criminal justice process
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and professionalizing the system which senator gillibrand's bill would do. would cause the system to be much more like the civilian system, attorneys and judging making the decisions. >> why is that not the system now? good this is over 200-year system which is so obsolete and needs reinventing. >> no one million now has thought you know what, this doesn't seem to be working. maybe we should try something new? >> i think it is a tipping point of women like myself and sherry served now for hundreds of years. but we have had enough. it has been decades of survivors banging down doors in congress and being ignored and we reached a tipping point in the last ten years and fighting and dying for their country, violating tensions in the military. >> you are the ultimate raped bn barracks. how difficult was it for you to get yourself heard after that? >> it was very difficult.
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i reported it right away. actually right after it happened. i went through my chain of command. and it was very hard to get them to take it serious and get me help. >> a new 238 convictions last year. i assume i got that figure right. >> very few convictions. when you start out with over 3,000 reported cases. remember that's 3,000 out of 26,000 that actually happened. very few women and men are even reporting it because as they expressed in an anonymous survey they don't feel the climate is supportive. they will is so intimidation in the system it is not safe to report. >> why does it seem as if these numbers are on the rise? not declining. >> some of it is the attention that groups like ours and veterans like us have brought to the issue. we have been -- again, banging down the doors of congress and pleading with military leadership to finally speak passionately and emphatically on
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this issue as the president -- took the president five years to do this as well. >> sherry, if there was one thing that could have helped you at that time, what would that have been? >> i think that right away they knew to get me a counselor in there to help. somebody outside of the system. i had to go to my chain of command and i had to talk to a lieutenant at the time to help do the statement. and actually they ended up leaving me and having me do my own statement. so i think going outside the system, if there was a social worker or someone at the time that could help me or outside prosecutors, i believe canada, uk, australia, they all have an independent prosecution, and i think that would help a lot instead of going lou the chain of command. >> when you took it to your chain of command what was their response? >> literally they -- told me that it was going to be hard process to prove. i was told her basketball
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players and it was base you cannily my word against theirs. >> they discouraged from you continuing? >> yes. a lot of retaliation afterwards. >> how common of a response is that? >> it is extremely common. i think that -- officers in that chain of command fail to understand what the average service members are going through. vast majority of the victims are junior enlisted and don't have the power to fight back bass they don't want the institutional power. how would you feel safe reporting to your own boss or boss' boss when something so traumatic has happened? >> how much of this is emblem atic of not just a problem in the military but a problem in american society? >> i think it is endemic to american society with this issue very much related to the steubenville case where you have what any young woman who knows is raped, what hopefully their mothers and fathers know is rape but you have violent crimes being held something other than
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that. even in the military where you have the air force chief of staff referring to rape culture and very inappropriate way as hookup culture. this isn't a matter of men and women hooking up in the military. it is a matter of men violently assaulting women and other men in the military. it has to stop and has to be treated as a crime and not as a problem of unprofessionalism. >> has anyone in the military -- not that this really in any remote way make it -- have they apologized? have they tried to make it right? >> no, sir. >> how frustrating has that been? >> it is very frustrating. i ended up leaving the military when i would have loved to have stayed there and make it -- would have loved to have been a lifer. it is very frustrating that they were able to stay in and i ended up having to leave because actually just fearing for my life. and my mental situation there. after it happened. so, yes, very frustrated they haven't come and said i'm sorry
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had you to go through this or try to make it right. >> sherry kurtz. thank you for coming to this saturday afternoon to talk about it. appreciate your time. >> thank you. we will be right back. okay. this, won't take long will it? no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget? more than you think. didn't take very long, did it? this spring, dig in and save. that's nice. post it. already did. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. show mom why you're her favorite, with a 12" infinity color bowl, a special buy at just $14.98. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief
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until that day. it happened outside of miami when low cost carrier valujet suddenly and tragically became synonymous with disaster. here's kerry sanders report of the sorry of that night on "nbc nightly news." >> reporter: valujet 592 crashed ten minutes after takeoff. it went down 15 miles northwest of miami international airport. the d.c. 9 on its way to atlanta crashed in the florida everglades. the pilot radioed west of the airport that there was smoke in the cockpit. he then told the tower he was turning back. the tower watched him on the ray czar and then he disappeared. there were 105 passengers onboard, four crew members. all 109 are presumed dead. they are there is little sign of the wreckage. most of it is believed sank into the four-feet deep water here. >> the negative press that followed the disaster of plight
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had a was the horrific scene april 17 in the town of west, texas, when an explosion at the west, texas, fertilizer plant killed 14 people. now texas officials say that they have launched a criminal investigation into that blast. that announcement came as federal agents say they found bomb making materials belonging to a paramedic who helped evacuate residents the night of the explosion. paramedic has denied the allegations. also denied any involvement in the blast. more on that from gabe gutierrez in west, texas. >> reporter: a west volunteer pair medic who helped evacuate residents the night of the april blast. >> he lived as if tomorrow was not an option. >> reporter: even spoke at the memorial service for the 12 fallen first responders, has been arrested. bryce reid is charged with possessing a destructive device. court documents allege that the 31-year-old paramedic admitted to possessing the components of
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a time bomb. including a 3 1/2 inch pipe, fuse, and chemical powders. federal officials say that in late april, reid gave the materials to a friend who became suspicious and called the local sheriff's office. nbc news has not been able to reach reid's attorney for comment. crystal has been the paramedic's neighbor for at least three years. >> i just don't believe it. i don't believe it. i mean, i don't think that he had anything to do with the fertilizer plant at all. >> reporter: authorities say that they will not speculate whether the arrest has any connection to the plant explosion. on friday, the texas department of public safety and the local sheriff's office announced they were launching a criminal investigation into the blast that killed at least 14 people and injured more than 200. until now the fire and explosion last month at the west fertilizer company had been largely thought of as an industrial accident. >> our thanks to gabe. initial report into what caused
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that disaster is not expected for at least several weeks. more now on the story from micheling. labor reporter for "in these times." he has been following the story closely since reporter for in t times. how does the criminal investigation affect the over all probe into the fire and explosion or will it? >> it's unclear at this point. this is pretty plate breaking news. it broke yesterday. at to point auz we know is there within an explosion that occurred. we have no idea why it occurred. it should be stated, this is important the state, that this plant they do know that the cause of what made the explosion so big was ammonium nitrate. it's known at this point this plant did not take the proper -- they were required to conduct blast walls and they kid not
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have those. we do know that not enough was done to protect the nearby community. >> can we speak all the to the likelihood that this was accidental or were there more indications that it could have been criminal. >> it's tough to say at this point whether it was accidental or criminal. who knows why bry ce had back making materials. the fire that started started in a nearby shack and it spretd to the local white house there. we really adopt know at this point. the chemical safety bort and the atf are expected to give a report to the senator on may 16. we'll know more then. >> we dead get a statement a short time ago from the lawyer of the arrested paramedic and it says in part that again his client had no involvement whatsoever in the explosion. that's coming from his attorney. i want to talk to you about the ma kro issue here. you've been following this entry
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and the work to workers at plants like these. what if anything has changed since that april 17th blast? >> well, not much really has changed. osha is currently reevaluating how they might look at the plant in the future. the chill call safety board is investigation. there has not been major changes. indeed the dallas morning news had trouble getting information about how many plants in texas have this amoan yum nitrate. >> why ask there or why does there at least seem to be a great chasm between what actually happens inside aat f these plants and what we know about what happens inside these plants? >> well the reason there's such a big chazment is there's not enough inspection for explosive risk or security risk, people
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brooking into the plant, maybe putting a bomb in there. the republic for this is regular laters are severely underfunded. osha is so severely underfunded it would take them 131 years to inspect every plant in the country. >> it's probably a wonder that there haven't been more accidents like the one we saw in west, texas, huh? >> it's literally a ticking time bomb and every day 1300 workers die on the job. a report concluded that over the last two decades workplace deaths have steadily reclined but workplace deaths have steadily rose. so i think this says something about the economy right now that due to this poor economy, so many chaens companies are willing to cut safety. you're seeing deaths go up. of course no company wants to see a worker die on the job, but if the a worker does die on the
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job the cost is not very high. i did a story on a construction worker who was child on a serious safety violation. it cost the company a$,000 fine on the death of the work r. i interviewed the wife of the worker. he said basically somebody put a price tag on my husband's head. we're not going to see serious regulation in this country until people start going to jail and there are some serious fines. >> keep us posted, sir and come back. >> thanks ben. >> who is paying the price. how americans are suffering from the sequester. [ jackie ] it's just so frustrating... ♪ the middle of this special moment and i need to run off to the bathroom. ♪ i'm fed up with always having to put my bladder's needs ahead of my daughter. ♪ so today, i'm finally talking to my doctor
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